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post #16 of 37 Old 08-05-2011, 07:08 AM Thread Starter
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You could send the seat out, maybe to Seargent seats?

There are kits to lower the front forks internally. Check with Progressive Suspension. If you don't lower the front you are going to alter the steering geometry.
Just curious, lowering the front... is that something I shop can do?

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Doing it your self is all possiable depending on you. Im no mechanic but cant stand paying the priceds to I dig in when I can. Normally so far has all turned out a lot easier then exspected.
Your lower links should come in pairs if you need a pair. As for lowering front there are tons of options from straps, to internals to just dropping the fork though the triple clamps a bit. Im going to lower the 12 one of these days and have the lower dog bones for back and dropping the forks through the triple clamps in the front. Every thing we do like that can loose performance,, but I will never see it since ill never fully push this bike. Im no race and dont plan on it. I just love my bike.
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Just curious, lowering the front... is that something I shop can do?
Yes, the bike shop can handlie that. It shouldn't be too expensive on that type of forks. If you have the tools and patience you could do it yourself, but it might be easier to have them do it, all things considered.

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You might avoid any suspension lowering with the proper seat...

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Hmm... not seeing one for the 500r...

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Hmm... not seeing one for the 500r...
They can modify your existing seat to your specs, I am pretty sure. Call them.

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She would have been better off on the 250.

That being said the 500 can't have the forks slid through the triple tree like on most sportbikes because of the type of handlebars that they come with. You need a true style "clipon" that clips AROUND the fork, not clamp to the top of the triple tree. Be careful when installing aftermarket clipons because you will have some potential bodywork clearance issue Lock to Lock.

You can have the forks internally lowered (pricier) or get aftermarket clipons and slide the forks on up through the triple.

Stick with 1-2" drop....too low and it really handles like crap and you run the risk of damaging lower parts of the bike over speedbumps, potholes, etc.

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the 500 can't have the forks slid through the triple tree like on most sportbikes because of the type of handlebars that they come with. You need a true style "clipon" that clips AROUND the fork, not clamp to the top of the triple tree.

Stick with 1-2" drop....too low and it really handles like crap and you run the risk of damaging lower parts of the bike over speedbumps, potholes, etc.

Good luck.

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You'll have to excuse my ignorance here, I love riding... but when it comes to the mechanics of motorcycles I am still learning. Now I understand what you mean here, for the most part. I can clearly see that the handle bars on my 500r do sit on top of the triple tree (never knew they were called this ) as apposed to my zx12r that clips around the forks.

Where I am a tad confused is, if I lower the rear of the bike with the lowering links, from my understanding, I need to lower the front of the bike as well... will simple lowering the front handlebars (which, again totally just assuming, is what you are suggesting) will that do the trick for me? or do I still need to actually lower the front of the bike?

I've also looked into getting the seat shaved down so the bike wont have to be lowered as much, I was told I can get it lowered up to an inch without major loss to comfort.

I really appreciate the help man, I'm trying to keep this whole lowering process as cheap and simple as possible.

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When you lower just the rear, that affects the steering geometry. It will change the rake of the front end quite a bit.

On some bikes you can actually slide the forks upward because they have holes through the top triple tree (cover where your ignition is attached). On the EX500 there are no holes that allow you to do this.

Lowering the handlebars is not the same thing. What you are trying to do is keep the front and rear ride height in the same ballpark. If you lower the rear 1", you would need the lower the front end about 1", and so on.

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When you lower just the rear, that affects the steering geometry. It will change the rake of the front end quite a bit.

On some bikes you can actually slide the forks upward because they have holes through the top triple tree (cover where your ignition is attached). On the EX500 there are no holes that allow you to do this.

Lowering the handlebars is not the same thing. What you are trying to do is keep the front and rear ride height in the same ballpark. If you lower the rear 1", you would need the lower the front end about 1", and so on.
Ah, I see... so even if I were to get after market 'clipon' handlebars and lower them along with the lowering links of the rear, I would still need to lower the actual front end to keep everything flowing evenly...

So much learning going on for me...

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Ah, I see... so even if I were to get after market 'clipon' handlebars and lower them along with the lowering links of the rear, I would still need to lower the actual front end to keep everything flowing evenly...

So much learning going on for me...
You still seem a little confused. If you add an aftermarket clipon, that is a TRUE clipon, meaning it CLIPS ON the fork, not like the stock style 250/500 bars that bolt on TOP of the TRIPLE TREE then having the fork "slid up" through the triple tree will lower the bike. Where you bolt the clipons themselves is up to you but you have limited options because of interference issues with the OEM fairings when you turn the handlbars all the way left and right. Sliding them up through the triple tree alters the ride height, not where/how the clipons are bolted to the forks although lowered clipons give a more aggressive feel.

Another way to lower the front of the bike is to internally lower the forks. Its more expensive but if you have lots of miles and/or leaking fork seals it would be good justification to go into the forks and have them INTERNALLY lowered. By internally lowering them you don't have to worry about getting aftermarket clipons that allow you to slide the forks up through the triple tree to lower them.....because they are INTERNALLY lowered already. The down side is that to put it back to stock height if/when you want to will require more time/money because you have to go back into the forks.

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You still seem a little confused. If you add an aftermarket clipon, that is a TRUE clipon, meaning it CLIPS ON the fork, not like the stock style 250/500 bars that bolt on TOP of the TRIPLE TREE then having the fork "slid up" through the triple tree will lower the bike. Where you bolt the clipons themselves is up to you but you have limited options because of interference issues with the OEM fairings when you turn the handlbars all the way left and right. Sliding them up through the triple tree alters the ride height, not where/how the clipons are bolted to the forks although lowered clipons give a more aggressive feel.

Another way to lower the front of the bike is to internally lower the forks. Its more expensive but if you have lots of miles and/or leaking fork seals it would be good justification to go into the forks and have them INTERNALLY lowered. By internally lowering them you don't have to worry about getting aftermarket clipons that allow you to slide the forks up through the triple tree to lower them.....because they are INTERNALLY lowered already. The down side is that to put it back to stock height if/when you want to will require more time/money because you have to go back into the forks.

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What if I just release some air pressure from the front tire? .... wont that help bring the front end down?.....

... kidding... I'm not THAT stupid haha

I see what you're saying... the bike does have about 15,000 miles on it. (I ride all year round) so, maybe the safest thing to do would be just to have them lowered internally. Having the clip-ons does seem like a more sensible idea tho.

Again thanks for the help, eventually i'll be as knowledgeable as some of you veterans... if we were talking cars I'd be fine. haha

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Thanks man, btw, saw your video on youtube against Hibs... very nice lol

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Well, just got another call about a 2011 red honda cbr 250 and a 2011 kawasaki 250... gonna race up there tomorrow and hope for the best!

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