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post #1 of 14 Old 01-17-2004, 05:00 PM Thread Starter
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Had a gsxr 1100....9R now???

Hi guys,

Last time I posted I was about to p/u a 98+ 9R but I stumbled upon an 1100 in a 750 frame (late 80s) for much cheaper so I bought it for less than $2700.

I went nuts with the gearing 14/48 and milled the head, +5 ign advancer, strapped it, Yosh pipe, K&N pods. I still weight 120-130lbs...

I ran it at the local track 2x (10 runs total). My best was 11.04 at 127 I believe. My 60ft times ranged from 1.78 - 1.9s (like most novices I suppose) w/lowered tire psi.

Now that it's totaled (70 year old fucko plowed into me) and I'm healin up, I'm rethinkin th 9R. Here's why I'm a little hesitant:

1) I've done a roll on w/a 2000 9R all the way up to an indicated 170 mph and I was slooowly pulling away (1052cc will do that, I know) and I'm wondering if I'll miss the awesome pulling power (torque) that the 1100 had. Will the 9R feel like a grunty 600, so to speak, instead of rolling it in top gear on the HWY and G-O-I-N-G.

2) How easy is it to launch? My 87 1100 motor was impossible to launch because it was hydraulic and every time I'd slip the clutch out, pull it in and repeat the process the friction zone COMPLETELY CHANGED and it bucked and chattered tremendously. Does the 9R have a smooth power delivery when letting the clutch out like a cable clutch bike? I've had an FZR 600 and an F2 and I feel like my 60 ft times on those would have beaten the quirky 1100s launch.

3) Seems like boring the 899 cc mill is .... iffy given what I've read up on it (998 in particular). How do these motors hold up with a 30 shot? The 1100 I had was old but they have been tried and true in the drag world, as I'm sure everyone here knows.

4) Would the marginally lower torque figures of the 9R make it even easier to launch than my grunty ol 1100? Other racers were telling me to lower my launch to 3-4krpms but I still couldn't stop it from wheelying, even in 2nd it would come up and hinder my ability to get on the throttle hard (good for wheelies, bad for draggin!)

Any and all thoughts would be greatly appreciated. They also say the 00/01 trannies are crap. Are the 98-99 on par with the 02+?

Thanks,

Ali

P.S. Those low 11 times were always with a missed shift since I would slide too far back to load the shifter, or wheelie. I never got a "good" run so I knew 10s were totally possible.
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post #2 of 14 Old 01-18-2004, 05:14 AM
 
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A friend of mine had a 9R and he did some really good times at drag strip. But when the 00 12 came out he bought it and was one of the first ones in our area to race a 12.

Back to your question. Why not get a ZX12? If your buying there are some deals to be had. and the potental of the 12 is greater with aftermarket upgrades.
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Man, All I do these days is watch Mach 2/3 over and over so you KNOW I want the 12. I think my insurance would laugh in my face. I'm on SR-22, I have a 9 pg record w/countless reckless driving tickets (although I haven't gotten a ticket since 8/02) and it would be outrageous or impossible.

I'm paying $3000 for annual liability insurance on my 94 1.0L GEO METRO!!! My 89 750 Gix cost me about $100 a month so it may be possible. I love the 12R like any sane (or insane?) biker. How much bigger does the 12 feel over the 9? I rode a busa once and at 5'6" and scrawny it fit like a glove. I stood flat footed no problem. Hmmmm....

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post #4 of 14 Old 01-18-2004, 10:06 AM
 
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I would'nt think there would be a huge difference between the 9 and 12 in Insurance. The 12 is tall and feels big compared to the 9. Lowered the 12 can be as friendly as the Busa.

If your married you could have your wife insure it :idea:
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Yeah I think I will go 12. 9s are nice, I love em too but it's a stupid mental thing, getting a bike that I've beaten before.

Married? Nope. Just ended a 10 yr relationship cuz the girl wanted me to choose bikes OR her. I was like hmmmmmmmm......bye bye. Sucks cuz she was great but I couldn't be with someone for the rest of my life and resent them every time I hear or see a bike on the road.

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shiphtyee,
The 12R is nice but the 9R sounds perfect for you. At your weight (120-130lbs) and height a 9R would flatout fly. When I say fly I mean 9sec passes everytime. There are plenty of mods. The 9R can handle a 30 shot. The cable clutch makes it easy to launch. You can also play with different clutch springs to get the feel that you like best. The 9R is not as bulky as the 12R, and much cheaper.

I will admit I am pondering a 12R also, but I am a big dude 190lbs (215lbs suited&booted). Like I said at with your size you could give many racer havoc at the track with a 9R.

Best of luck with whatever you get.
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Strip 9R: I think you're right. As much as I love the 12, I'd be pussyfooting it out the hole (unless I'd got some 50lb weights on the front wheel/header area!

I think the 9R should be fine. And although it MAY not be able to outlean my ol gix, I'm sure it's pretty stable and better than the 1989 old suspension that the gix had.

I figure play with it stock, lower/gear it, then spray.

It's just that when you know you're gonna end up spraying, you sometimes have to look back and see if the bigger bike is the way to go (more HP, nat asp reliability) but then again, the cheaper 9R lets me pocket 1-2 thousand bucks which will help me out big time.

That's the kinda insight I needed. How is the 12R's clutch, out of curiosity? I remember my 89 Ninja 250 was pretty easy to launch (not just cuz it was a 250 :roll: ).

Thanks

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post #8 of 14 Old 01-21-2004, 09:45 AM
 
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trns.

The 98-99 have the problem azz trans not 00-up. If you own 00-up you have a potential busa / 12 killer. Some small modifications can do a lot for that bike and unless you own one you won't know. Just a stock 9R can run mid-lower 10's right off the showroom floor, lower it, upper 9's, stretch and gear, even better. My ZX9R run like it's a part of my soul. It's an 01 never any trouble. P.S. I run the s..t out of it at the track and street. I have seen only one person on this site that's even close to what I run my bike & I question it.
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post #9 of 14 Old 01-21-2004, 02:19 PM
 
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shiphteey.......

I have a 2000 ZX9R. I just got it at the end of last years season. Prior to that I had a 2000 ZX6R. I absolutley loved my 6R but needed a little more power. I am a girl and I am 5'7" @ 130. I drag race every week at our local track. I have my 9R lowered, Muzzy Pipe (used to have a Two Brothers), jetted, airshifter. My best time is [email protected] in the 1/4. I launch at 6,000 rpm and slide the crap out of my clutch. My best 60' is 1.61. Granted not great. I think I made maybe 30 passes on it last year. When I switched from my 6 to the 9 it was like the same bike, I totally love the 9. I can race any stock busa or 12 and kick most guys a$$es at the track. Now I can't get them to race me, go figure......
I have made a couple other mods for this season......Switched to the Muzzy this winter, down one in the front and timing advancer. I can't wait to see what it does!

I would go with the 9, if I were you. You will love it!!!!!
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Those are some pretty impressive times. USCRD: Did you have any issues w/sliding back at all?

Have you been able to run a 9 w/out the airshifter? And what airshifter do you use?

How many runs have you made on the 6 befor the 9? I've had an fzr 600 and cbr 600 and those bikes are sooo damn easy to launch. Never ran it at the track but I've wasted R6s till 120 w/out a tach!!!! The 11 felt like a montser off the line, lurchy/wheelie prone and rough, couldn't slip it out like I could every other bike I've ridden. If it felt good going from the 6 to the 9 then that's sweet. What rpm you guys coming thru at/what gear? I geared my 5 speed 1100 to come through at just about redline in 4th. Seems Kawi always gears their bikes perfect from the factory for almost anything really.

If I can run a 9.xx w/just lowering, gearing and jet/exhaust and ignition adv. that would be perfect. While I don't mind an airshifter, I'd like to be able to do it w/out. How much smoother are the airshifters on the stock trannies?

Ok I'm babbling, probably cuz of the percocet...

Thanks guys and gals,

Ali
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I raced my 6 for two years at the track and rode it on the street as well. I probably have hundreds if not thousands of runs down the 1/4 mile.

As far as sliding back is concerned, if you don't position yourself right and hold on with your legs then yes you can slide back but you have train yourself to stay in one spot no matter how hard your bike is pulling. I also ride a Hayabusa and that bike seems to be twice as powerful and pulls twice as hard out of the hole and that bike is very hard not to slide back on but like I said it takes practice to train all your muscles to hold on.

The 9 launches pretty much the same as the 6 except of course it pulls harder. Takes practice not to pick the front wheel up but I go through clutches like no ones business because I slide mine out avoiding the wheelie.

Regarding an airshifter....if you haven't used one, you are missing out. They are absolutely awesome. One less thing you have to worry about. Very, very smooooooooth!!!! You will love it! I did take my 9 down the track when I first got it without an airshifter and my first few passes on the bike were like around 10.30 by the end of the night I was down to 10.00, I used the clutch to shift, no power shifting for me. I have a Pingel airshifter on the bike that I had on my 6. I bought a kit from Schnitz Racing, it has everything you need the Air bottle, MPS box, shift solenoid (or whatever they call that), lines and everything. I don't twist the wrenches on my bike so I don't know all the technical terms for everything.

One thing to keep in mind, your not going to be able to jump on your new bike and run 9 right out the box. It takes practice and it takes time for you to get everything to work together they way you need it to. One pass you will screw up your shifting, one pass you will screw up your shift points, one pass you will screw up your launch, you get the drift........

Practice, practice, practice!!!!!!!

Good luck with the new bike. I am going to get a ZX10R next year. I can't wait!!!!!!!

Happy Racing!
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Wow, you've defintalty been practicing then! I'm thinking about getting my form/technique down w/my F2 before I go to the 9 since I have time on my hands and I need to heal up anyways.

Man if I end the season running the 9 at 9.xx w/no NOS, big bore, ext swingarm, or airshifter that would be great.

I bet the gains from NOS or the airshifter are similar (maybe .4 to .5 sec) but since I'm more street oriented I'm not sure about the airshifter. I need to read up on em a bit more.

What were you running on your 6R?

Congrats and thanks for the insight, this is helpin me out a lot. Makes me HATE looking at my gix all in pieces and sitting right next to it, the worlds UGLIEST SPORT BIKE: Honda CBR F2! haha

Later,

Ali
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10.50 @128 was my best time on my ZX6R. I only had it lowered airshifter and one tooth up in the back. Oh, sorry I had the advancer on there too. The boys that run Prostar 600SS class had their 600s down to 9.80s. They had so many little secrets on those bikes. Bearings, clutch plates, oil, tons of things to give them just a hundreth of an advantage. I didn't do all that to my little 6.

I am telling you, airshifter is the way to go! Its almost like an automatic car with no power loss!!!!!

Good idea to practice sliding out your clutch on the CBR. Keep them RPMs up high on that little bike, maybe around 8 or 9 thousand. I used to leave at 9. I think the prostar boys leave around 10 or 11. They rock!
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8-9 krpms is what I was figuring. I used to leave at 10-11 k rpms on my ol ninja 250. Those boys got some huevos grande!

Thanks again uscrd,

Ali
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