After reading many of the posts here I have decided to go with the D&D slipon. I know it's not as good probably as the Akro, and it seems to certainly be loud, but it is cost conservative. My main concerns are: Should I go with carbon fiber, alum, or TI ??? My gut says stay with the TI as I like its looks from the stock can, BUT the carbon looks good too and does it save weight???
I assume that there is NOTHING needed as far as the engine goes. It will run properly (i.e. not too lean/rich)??? Also, can I make this mod myself (I am decent mechanically, especially if it has wires) ? Looking front to back to the stock can, there are 4 bolts to remove and the foot peg attachment??? That's it?
Dave is speaking of my buddy Rick's friend who's 02' responded very badly with the D&D and he did infact take it off and put the stock can back on. While I have no idea if this true for all 02's or all D&D's it was true with his. Now as far as removing the Cat, you don't HAVE to but my question is why wouldn't you? If you are spending the money to get a freer flowing can in the D&D then why leave a restricting device like the cat in the headers? Doesn't make much sense. If you have a Sawzaw it's a breeze, just cut the whole header extension right at the flange and the cat is then only 1" thick which you can chip out with a chisle. If no sawzaw then you have some work ahead by using a Hacksaw to cut the pipe and cat, or chisle out the cat with a chisle and hammer, then cut the pipe. Either way you do it just make sure once the cat is out that before you install the new can that you fire that beast up and reve it a bit to blow all the small peices of the cat that will be in the headers. And a tip, don't let anyone stand behind the bike when you do this and be ready for some LOUD ass noise when you fire that baby up. Man that was cool when I did that althought it became mute shortly after cause I bought the full Yosh race system a month later.
Agreed about the whole board concept. Having been on and off this board since it's inception and also Labusas for three years and ZX-12rZone since it's inception and Jereon's board before all of them. I have witness many a people giving bad advice to which they are normally shot down by a more experienced or knowledgeable member. As in anything else you need to pick apart the info to find what's going to work for you. I would never tell anyone they MUST do something to their bike unless it truely concerned a saftely matter. I have been amazed at some of the things newbies have asked to do or thought about doing, and amazed that some of these people are actually riding a bike like the 12 when they are utterly clueless about motorcycles. But like I've said many times before, it's a free country. I have never ever lied to anyone on any board, all I have done is try to pass the knowledge I have learned about the 12 over the years and 17,000+ miles I have put on my 12. We, myself and many others, have thrashed these topics til we were blue in the face and eventually came up with what works best for MOST 12's or riders, and again, everyone is different.
As far as the Cat is concerned, I still maintain that if you are planning to keep the stock can or buy just a slip on, it just plain makes sense to cut the Cat out. It is a very restrictive piece that generates a TON of heat, many have said a gain of 1-2 horsepower, maybe so, maybe not but if you look at the example of spending $750+ on a full sytem to get maybe 10-17 horsepower, why wouldn't you go for 1-2 more for free? As well as having a happier, freer reving motor? It also doesn't take a rocket scientist to cut the cat out.
Anyway ninjabob, I think we are all on the same page in trying to learn more and help as many people as we can. What I will assure you, and I mean guarantee you is that if you see a reply from me to another members question it is only because I have experience in it and truly know the results, or I know it from another member whom I trust implicitly. No need to steer anyone wrong. You can ask just about anyone on this board or ZX-12rzone or labusas (even the dark side) about me and they will tell you the same. As a side note though, I have been known to sling a little shit too, in the interest of entertainment of course. lol
I've heard the D&D's are loud, haven't actually HEARD one on a 12 before though. I considered all the full systems but after talking to just about everyone on all the boards decided on the Yosh RS-3 race system cause the 4-2-1 appears to maintain the midrange grunt better than the 4-1's and because I take a lot of long trips didn't need a Muzzy screaching in my ear or anything really loud. The Yosh has a beautiful baritone sound while doing 90 in 6th not annoying at all and yet when your near redline it just screams.
Anyway, many who really like the loud stuff go with the D&D and I also hear they make strong power with great weight savings, is this true?
This is the Bike talk section of www.labusas.org, there is a 12 side there too but it's referred to as the Library. The dark side is filled with great people but brutal threads, porn, death threats sometimes, if you don't have thick skin it may not be the board for you.