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i changed the front tire on monday to a bt010, man what a difference. the stock d207's were very slow to turn in (and they tended to walk), the 010's are way quicker and feel more planted while cornering. i did however hedge my bets by removing the silicone coating all the way to the edge of the tire with a bit of sandpaper (i really don't like the idea of binning the bike 'cos of a new front tyre).



so far i agree with most people's sentiments about never going back to the d207's ...



the only problem i have is the price ... up from just over r600 to over r900 (south african rands), 50% price incraese, wtf!!!

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You said "i did however hedge my bets by removing the silicone coating all the way to the edge of the tire with a bit of sandpaper (i really don't like the idea of binning the bike 'cos of a new front tyre)."



You have got to be kidding right? You know that what you did makes ZERO difference right? You know that scuffing in a new tire means getting HEAT into the tire from riding right? Oh man that's funny. You get the squid of the year award man...

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Just got my set of 010's with the 190 rear today. Now all I have to do is figure out if I want to put them on now, or wait until the dunslops are burned off. Hmmmm.

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Sorry Otis,

DM12 is right, there is a protective coating on the tyre to help preserve it. It is as slippy as hell if you take your new tyre out and have to crank it over in an emergency. Not to mention the total lack of grip in the wet when new. A road tyre normally takes between 80 to 100 miles to "run in"

"Scrubbing" in a tyre is a racers term used for bedding in a new tyre for racing purposes, ie in the smallest/shortest time possible to allow maximum lean angles from the start of a race. Somewhere in the region of a few miles would suffice.

If a racer were to take out a new tyre, go to the start, take off and lean it right over he would fall off! Race tyres are completely different to normal road tyres anyway, unless of course you get track day tyres.

I took a new soft compound Michelin Hi-Sport out on the road and destroyed it within 100 miles and 1 Hours worth of riding. A more "normal" road tyre would have lasted a lot longer, but would have probably put me on my ear in no time at all. Just my .02 worth.

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WOW FOR ONCE I AM NOT ON THE OTHER END OF SOMEONE BEING RUNG OUT!! I FEEL SO LEFT OUT!! WHY DIDN'T SOMEONE CALL ME?? IT'S GOTTA SUCK TO BE HUNG OUT TO DRY LIKE THAT! TALKING ABOUT THE TABLES BEING TURNED!



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I'll never put another 207 on when there's 010's around. There better handling tire's without a doubt.

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I ALWAYS scrub my tires in with a scotch-brite pad. What the fuck is wrong with that?



If you don't think that new tires have a silicone based release agent that needs scrubbing in, you are foolish.



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I err on the side of caution with brand spankin' new street compound tires...I'll go easy (easy leans/easy acceleration) for at least the first 100~200 miles to let the 'mold release' agents disperse itself from the tires...unless you're racing, why rush it and cause grief to yourself?...patience, grasshopper...if you NEED to get aggressive RIGHT NOW, perhaps you need DOT 'race tires' on the street instead...but WHY?...are you in some kinda' points chase?...I really like the way my 010s are performing compared to the 207s...I like it so much I have two sets in the patio ready to roll...cheap, good tires!<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"> ...if only the Metzlers M-1s were as inexpensive....

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I agree with Ted Edwards, blitzkrieg, and 12r22348b. I know that most molded components ( tires are no different) have mold release agents on them fromthe molding process. If they didn't, the mold would stick constantly. I don't ususally scrub my tires though. I tend to break them in by heating them up and getting more agressive in turns as I reach 100 or somiles. This allows me to accomplish 2 things. 1, I get used to the new skins and how they react to my riding technique compared to my old ones (espically since I tend to use different tires till I find one I like a lot). 2, It allows me to "feel" when a tire has heated up to temp (back to 1 with different tire brands, etc). Just my $0.02.

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Run in, Scrubbing, for ME they me they mean same and while I know about the "protective coating" your speaking of, thinking that using a piece of sandpaper on the edges is going to get the tire ready for use and high lean angles is hilarious. Heat is what's needed to get the tire ready. Haven't you heard people joking about that before? I stand by my thoughts on this and picturing someone scrubbing their tires with sandpaper makes me laugh. You know I respect you Ted, just don't agree with ya here.

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I'm running michelin pilot sport on front and 207 on the rear. I cant wait to get rid of the 207. The pilot is a phenom peice of rubber. When heated the pilot just keeps gripping but the 207 gets quite squirmy. I get very nervous it is going to let go.



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Agreed tomas, I just switched to the 010's and absoutely love them, they feel WAY more planted then the 207's and I get a lot more feedback from the frontend with them. I have not run the Pilot's but heard they are excellent, just takes a bit to warm em up.

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No problem Otis,

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion and that is what makes this site so great! We respect each others views. There are many ways of "Skinning a cat" as we say over here. One way of doing a thing will work for some but not for others.

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I seem to be in the minority here....but I really like the 207s. They're relatively cheap. They stick really well, but slide very predictably.



The 207 runs great in the dry, run good in the wet (important in the pac. NW), heats up quick, and lasts a reasonable amount of time. They seem a great compromise for street riders.



I find the magazine reviews really worthless. They're carving the track and they never really mention how many miles they get doing "normal" riding. Their tests are usually judged by the opinion of the rider rather than any sort of rigorous test fixtures or methodologies.



And, if I'm not mistaken, Dunlop designed the 200mm 207 tire specifically for the ZX-12.

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Put about 150 miles on the black beauty this past Sat., and I have to say, I am still satisfied with the stock 208's onthe bike. I have broken in the tire from lip to lip, and it once it is heated up, it sticks like I would expect it to. I hit hard accel under exiting a corner and it stuck like it was superglued to the pavement, and I even took a left turn in a busy intersection under heavy rear braking and the back tire locked up, slid and handled like I expected. It must have made the other people in their cars spit coffee out their noses, but I tell you, the control with the tires is very predictible.

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looks like i missed all the fun ...



the coating on the tire is extremely slippery in the wet and over here thunder showers in the afternoon are commonplace and the road markings in south africa are painted in a substance that provides no grip whatsoever when wet, so i decided that it may be a good thing(tm) to remove the coating to avoid the potential of an 'incident'.



does this clarify things at all?

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The 02's come with the 208's. I like them.



I have around 3500 miles on them and I am going to replace them with Bt10's. I will try a few different brands to see which one's offer the best compromise between performance and durability.


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I just got a set of Pilot Sports put on this weekend.The way I brake em in is I go on a twisty road and break em in slowly by gradually increasing lean angle.As the tire breaks in you feel it come to you ,steering get's better you feel it grip harder etc..I was riding with the boys and I just stayed back as the tires came in.When you first take off it's like ice but just be cool with the throttle ,I like to roll on some to get some nice heat in em and gradually brake harder.By 40 miles of riding they felt nice and sticky.Pilots are no joke I love em.It's just a feel thing ,take your time and they'll come to you.Good Luck!

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