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TBBT just got done putting some money in a Akra, It's making me think go with Hindle and use money I saved to set hindle up right with dyno time.
Just a thought man. I'm not trying to bring ya down, But consider the big picture.
From the post's I've seen here, There's not a big difference. If anything the Hindle may win out in HP,
Consider everything, Leave no stone unturned,
If Jessie Jame's had a ZX12R I'd ride with him.
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Just a thought man. I'm not trying to bring ya down, But consider the big picture.
From the post's I've seen here, There's not a big difference. If anything the Hindle may win out in HP,
Consider everything, Leave no stone unturned,
If Jessie Jame's had a ZX12R I'd ride with him.
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Okay Ill bite.....
YOU DO GET WHT YOU PAY FOR!
Akrapovic' is an incredible piece of work!
I love mine but then again Im not really into loud pipes or I would of bought a Harley(lol) I will just say this I promise you if you get the Akra you wont be dissapointed.
Just ask BOSTROM!
Roy
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YOU DO GET WHT YOU PAY FOR!
Akrapovic' is an incredible piece of work!
I love mine but then again Im not really into loud pipes or I would of bought a Harley(lol) I will just say this I promise you if you get the Akra you wont be dissapointed.
Just ask BOSTROM!
Roy
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"I may be slow, but you can't catch me!"</p>
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·Akrapovic Rules! (Just for you Blitz)
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Akrapovic is top gear allright . Are you also going to run a powercommander? I found that it transformed the bike, so much better to ride by "freeing up"the top end with an exhaust. Good stuff!!
If you're not breakin' the law you're not riding!!
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Akrapovic is top gear allright . Are you also going to run a powercommander? I found that it transformed the bike, so much better to ride by "freeing up"the top end with an exhaust. Good stuff!!
If you're not breakin' the law you're not riding!!
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Lots of great maps for the AKRA depending on type of riding/performance you want......great customer service.....
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"The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced."..(Abraham Lincoln)....Dont forget those on and after 9-11</p>
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Hey try this.... Buy the Muzzy and NOS from Wayne(King).... You can do both for the price of the Akra..... If you want true horsepower do both.... Or settle for the beauty and mild power increase of the Akra...... But you will be seeing the back of a Muzzy piped bike with NOS one day<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> .... Hell I'm at 213.7 horsepower at the rear wheel with just a 1 stage NOS kit now.... Stage 2 this weekend hopefully......... 13,500 miles on the bike.....
If her eyes aren't crossed and one eye lid flapping like a hummingbird wing your not quite there yet...</p>
If her eyes aren't crossed and one eye lid flapping like a hummingbird wing your not quite there yet...</p>
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Saw and rode with the Hindle.......Todd has one ...was very impressed with fit and finish as well as sound....very nice indeed.....the two brothers ....my ears are still ringing from Mono's pipe.(hey Mono is that how ya keep us from being your shadow??) .....nice fit and finish as well...any choice is a good choice.......and ultimately it is up to you ....... they are all for the most part in the same ball park as far as horsepower....... as far as rideabilty ...hell why not take a survey?
"The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced."..(Abraham Lincoln)....Dont forget those on and after 9-11</p>
"The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced."..(Abraham Lincoln)....Dont forget those on and after 9-11</p>
Richard the Muzzy is in the running, And I know of two full muzzy bike's and have heard and seen em. They make the power and sound awesome.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT="
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If Jessie Jame's had a ZX12R I'd ride with him.
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Two be honest the Muzzy sounds better to me as I have heard both now... The lopey idle is a pain at first but you grow to like it... My Muzzy aluminum can was around 500 bucks.... That leaves room for a ton of NOS...<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol">
If her eyes aren't crossed and one eye lid flapping like a hummingbird wing your not quite there yet...</p>
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r12...I have a '00 with a Muzzy and a '02 with the Akra...
Here are the differences...
Fit and finish - Akra wins hands down!!!
Quality - Akra wins!!!
Sound - Muzzy wins!!!
Looks - Tie...
Idle and rpm smoothness - Akra wins again!!!
Ground clearance - Akra takes it again!!!
I did the installation of both pipes and you can see the difference in the Quality, fit and finish...Made me smile to actually see the difference in the 2 pipes, meaning the extra money spent on the Akra was well worth it!!!
Muzzy Ti/Carbon can...$800.00
Akrapovic Stainless/Carbon Can...$920.00
I called e-mailed Akrapovic and asked them what the difference is between the Stainless and Evolution systems...They said that the pipe diameters are exact but the Evo is Titanium, and will cost about $1500.00...
I like the Akra so much that I am considering buying another Akra for the '00 so I wont have the 2500 rpm stumble as bad as the Muzzy has!!!
CrotchRocket
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Here are the differences...
Fit and finish - Akra wins hands down!!!
Quality - Akra wins!!!
Sound - Muzzy wins!!!
Looks - Tie...
Idle and rpm smoothness - Akra wins again!!!
Ground clearance - Akra takes it again!!!
I did the installation of both pipes and you can see the difference in the Quality, fit and finish...Made me smile to actually see the difference in the 2 pipes, meaning the extra money spent on the Akra was well worth it!!!
Muzzy Ti/Carbon can...$800.00
Akrapovic Stainless/Carbon Can...$920.00
I called e-mailed Akrapovic and asked them what the difference is between the Stainless and Evolution systems...They said that the pipe diameters are exact but the Evo is Titanium, and will cost about $1500.00...
I like the Akra so much that I am considering buying another Akra for the '00 so I wont have the 2500 rpm stumble as bad as the Muzzy has!!!
CrotchRocket
" I just live my life a 1/4 mile at a time "</p>
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Man,I can't wait! I hope I can just bolt it on and go with no running problems.Can't wait to feel even more top end power.Gonna be a blast.Just had to share that with ya's.
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I would say that it is unlikely that you can just bolt it on and be happy. Mine ran like shit until I got a proper map made for it. Like WarDawg suggested, you need to get the pipe setup right. You wouldn't put a pipe on a carbureted bike without having it re-jetted. Likewise you shouldn't install a pipe on a fuel injected bike without a PC or similar device to clean up the A/F ratio.
People often talk of sharing/swapping maps. I don't have much faith in its usefulness - unless you just want to get a base map to start from. Even though they may be the same bike and setup, no two machines are exactly alike. You should have a map made for your bike. A good example of this was seen at FastTrax. DD has two GSXR-750 race bikes. The bikes setup are identical. However, they have different maps.
As far as getting a map from somebody to use as a base - well if you are going to get a map made right away - then it's probably not worth while. If you go to right PC approved tuning center then they probably have done enough 12's to have a good base map to start from. That was the case when I took my bike to FastTrax. All he had to do was make the necessary modifications for the particular requirements of my bike.
If you can't get the map made right away, then I guess it can't hurt to get one from somebody else. It can either make it better or worse. You can fiddle around with it - but without having a Dyno and A/F analyzer you can't really tell what you are doing.
Who knows it may run o.k. by just installing the pipe. Even so, it will almost certainly run better after having a map made for it. Like I said, mine ran like shit after the pipe was install. It was an absolute must to have the PC installed and properly mapped.
Considering WarDawgs Hindle suggestion - All I got to say is "to each their own". I've never liked the looks of the Hindle. It was a good point however, that the savings from buying a Hindle could be pay for the dyno time.
H.P. differences between pipe (Micron, Muzzys, Akrapovic or Hindle) - there may be a couple h.p. differences here and there. But, in the real world - I don't think that the differences matter much.
I had a few goals in mine when I bought the Akrapovic. They were:
1. Replace the stock oil drum, er exhaust, with something more visually appealing.
2. Maintain the "smoothness" of the stock setup while achieving a performance gain.
3. Replace the stock system with something that isn't overly loud or obnoxious.
The Akrapovic exceeded my goals/expectations in every aspect. There have been many post talking about idle hunt and flat spot problems with other systems. There were no such issues with the Akra - it meet goal #2 perfectly.
Fit, finish, and construction of the Akrapovic are top notch - you can't beat it in this regard. The Micron's (Serpent) that I've seen were impressive as well.
Based on my experience so far - I would say you made an excellent choice. You won't be disappointed.
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I would say that it is unlikely that you can just bolt it on and be happy. Mine ran like shit until I got a proper map made for it. Like WarDawg suggested, you need to get the pipe setup right. You wouldn't put a pipe on a carbureted bike without having it re-jetted. Likewise you shouldn't install a pipe on a fuel injected bike without a PC or similar device to clean up the A/F ratio.
People often talk of sharing/swapping maps. I don't have much faith in its usefulness - unless you just want to get a base map to start from. Even though they may be the same bike and setup, no two machines are exactly alike. You should have a map made for your bike. A good example of this was seen at FastTrax. DD has two GSXR-750 race bikes. The bikes setup are identical. However, they have different maps.
As far as getting a map from somebody to use as a base - well if you are going to get a map made right away - then it's probably not worth while. If you go to right PC approved tuning center then they probably have done enough 12's to have a good base map to start from. That was the case when I took my bike to FastTrax. All he had to do was make the necessary modifications for the particular requirements of my bike.
If you can't get the map made right away, then I guess it can't hurt to get one from somebody else. It can either make it better or worse. You can fiddle around with it - but without having a Dyno and A/F analyzer you can't really tell what you are doing.
Who knows it may run o.k. by just installing the pipe. Even so, it will almost certainly run better after having a map made for it. Like I said, mine ran like shit after the pipe was install. It was an absolute must to have the PC installed and properly mapped.
Considering WarDawgs Hindle suggestion - All I got to say is "to each their own". I've never liked the looks of the Hindle. It was a good point however, that the savings from buying a Hindle could be pay for the dyno time.
H.P. differences between pipe (Micron, Muzzys, Akrapovic or Hindle) - there may be a couple h.p. differences here and there. But, in the real world - I don't think that the differences matter much.
I had a few goals in mine when I bought the Akrapovic. They were:
1. Replace the stock oil drum, er exhaust, with something more visually appealing.
2. Maintain the "smoothness" of the stock setup while achieving a performance gain.
3. Replace the stock system with something that isn't overly loud or obnoxious.
The Akrapovic exceeded my goals/expectations in every aspect. There have been many post talking about idle hunt and flat spot problems with other systems. There were no such issues with the Akra - it meet goal #2 perfectly.
Fit, finish, and construction of the Akrapovic are top notch - you can't beat it in this regard. The Micron's (Serpent) that I've seen were impressive as well.
Based on my experience so far - I would say you made an excellent choice. You won't be disappointed.
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You guys are supposed to talk me INTO spending my money! I just thought since some of you put Akras on without pc's that I might also do that.I really don't want to drop a grand only to have a headache instead of a nice ride.The thought of screwing around with maps etc. makes my head spin.I must not be as "into" biking as some?Today,I talked with a couple guys with various pipes on their rides.Now I'm thinking I'll just leave it alone for now.Today,I spun it up to 180 like nothing,and was doin second gear wheelies with ease. The only real "glitch" in power delivery is the same old 3k stumble that is fairly minimal.Nobody around here can catch me as it is either.Why screw up a good thing?
Jeff
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r21...My '02 has the Akrapovic with the Muzzy blockoffs with kleen air removed, 16-44 gearing!!!Thats all I have on it...
Best 1/4 mile to date is 9.67 ay 146.99...Its real smooth!!!
CrotchRocket
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Best 1/4 mile to date is 9.67 ay 146.99...Its real smooth!!!
CrotchRocket
" I just live my life a 1/4 mile at a time "</p>
All that I was telling you is that you can't go half way....
If you are going to do the pipe, then you need to go all the way and do the PC (with custom map) as well.
It would be a shame to spend almost a grand on the pipe and end up having the bike run like crap when you could have spent a few hundred more and have the bike run perfectly
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> I really don't want to drop a grand only to have a headache instead of a nice ride.The thought of screwing around with maps etc. makes my head spin.<hr></blockquote>
If you go all the way and do it right you won't have any headaches... Your ride will run as smoothly (perhaps more smooth) as it does now and it will produce a bit more power. The power it does produce will be developed more quickly than with its current stock setup.
You shouldn't need to screw around with maps after you take the bike and have it dyno'ed and have the custom map made.
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If you are going to do the pipe, then you need to go all the way and do the PC (with custom map) as well.
It would be a shame to spend almost a grand on the pipe and end up having the bike run like crap when you could have spent a few hundred more and have the bike run perfectly
<blockquote>Quote:<hr> I really don't want to drop a grand only to have a headache instead of a nice ride.The thought of screwing around with maps etc. makes my head spin.<hr></blockquote>
If you go all the way and do it right you won't have any headaches... Your ride will run as smoothly (perhaps more smooth) as it does now and it will produce a bit more power. The power it does produce will be developed more quickly than with its current stock setup.
You shouldn't need to screw around with maps after you take the bike and have it dyno'ed and have the custom map made.
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