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If you have a PCIIIr, Yosh EMS, or manual advancer...advancing your timing too much at 500 rpms-1500 rpms could cause it to be hard to start. The earlier ignition puts too much of a load on the starter. Try not to start your timing advance untill 1500 rpms and that should help the bike start much easier.

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This topic was getting some attention a while back about the p.c111r on the z,and starter problems.I was reading the post the other day about how cell phones were interfearing with e.c.u.or something like that.
It seems only a few had the problems with the p.c. starting the bike, and d.j swears up and down,the p.c has nothing to do with the starter.so there has to be something in common with all those bikes that dont crank correct with it on.
we figured out it was not the brake harness at the power the p.c gets.
I have seen alot of riders put the p.c on top of the e.c.u. and slide the sides in the rubber outer layer of the e.c.u.
just curious if anyone who had these problems had the p.c on top of the e.c.u and if so tryed to move it to a different spot.
just a suggestion-someone try it..

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I just had a thought on this. Why not dial in some retard at whatever rpm your starter turns the engine over? this should make it much easier to spin and after it starts the normal amount of advance will come into play.

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Mine bucked the starter, when I had INCORRECTLY set the throttle position. Disconnect the PC3 and you have eliminated the possible incorrect setting of the PC3 throttle setting. I just reset the thing according to the instructions and it works fine now.

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Redo the throttle posistion setting. It has nothing to do with the timing map. I have a 0 map and it bucked the starter. Another 12R owner, Chet, told me to try this. It worked for me, as it did for him as well. Good Luck.

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are you talking about t.p.s ozzy,on the l.h side w/voltmeter,cuz you say disconnect p.c and set throttle position.so its not the tps setting in the p.comm. software?
mine is set at stock and the 111r still did it and the 111 didnt,sameday.

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Mine does it to no timing advance and the throttle position was set by the dynojet dyno operator... It has to be PC related..... It did not do it with it off.... Also my pc is not on the ecu mounted on the framerail inside the tail section.... I am going to send this link to dynojet see what they say...

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richard,get em to trade it in for a p.c111.d.j told me if the bike's not built to leave the ign. at 0's.but who knows anymore,they have been f.o.s alot lately.
all i can say is i tryed the r on my 01,just to see what would happen cuz i didnt quite get it and bang starter cuts off.
put a p.c111 on,no problems at all.
my tps is back factory,and no idn 0's in the r.
trade that sucker in.

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"Mine bucked the starter, when I had INCORRECTLY set the throttle position. Disconnect the PC3 and you have eliminated the possible incorrect setting of the PC3 throttle setting. "

I had not set the throttle position in the PC3 software correctly.

I have never messed with my tps.

I reset the throttle closed/open in the PC3 software and it hasnt bucked again.

If you disconnect the PC3, any adjustments you made are eliminated from the problem, that includes the adjustment of the throttle position that you do in the software. The changes made with the PC3 have no effect when it is not plugged into the bike, all changes occure in the PC3. The stock ecu does not receive new values. Hope this is a bit clearer.

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