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OK, here is the deal guys. My 01 has been doing some wierd shit with the starter. Typically, it is worse after warming up, but sometimes cold as well, I press the starter button and the starter spools for a sec, that ziiiinnnngggg. It kicks back and disengages. Sounds to me like a bad solenoid. I do have a PC111r on the bike and NO, I don't have any advance added. Now, it didn't start immediately after I added the pc but I put the pc on right after break in last October. Anyway, I took it to the dealership and wanted them to look at it under warranty a few months ago when it did it randomly, and they were like "oh, it's the Power Commander doing it, these bikes don't do that on their own." , and they refuse to even look at it unless I remove the PC and leave the bike with them for "well, it will probably be a week or so before we can look at it". What kind of BS is that?! Anyway, like I said the PC has no advance dialed in to be causing a kickback like that, hell, I have even tried dialing in a little retard, but the problem is getting worse and worse. I am about to tell the dealership to fix my F-ing 12 or I am going to call Kawasaki about this crap. I guess I was just wondering if anyone else has had this or a similar starter problem so I can be somewhat informed before I bring the wrath of God down on them, or am I just having a freak problem with my bike that no one else has heard about?????? PLEASE HELP!!!!!

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I am having the same problem with my 02. Getting kind of frustrated with it. I have tried everything but it still happens. Like the starter chokes on itself and quits trying for a sec or two.

This past weekend, I pushed the start button and nothing....pushed several times and then I began the release the clutch just a hair and it turned over.......

Two separate problems (I think) but I am equally upset about trying to get the bike going.

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I think I may just have to call Kawasaki and talk to them about it before I go back to the dealership. Maybe they can tell me if this has been a major issue as well. You describe exactly what my bike is doing Tanui. I think the dealership doesn't want to mess with my bike because they know I race it alot (kind of obvious...airshifter, 6" stretch, lowered, nitrous, pc111r, akro, clutch mods......), but none of that should have any effect on the damn starter!!


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Try this. WAIT until the fuel pump is done cycling before you hit the starter button. I believe this problem relates to too much current draw in the electrical system (I'm not an electrician, so bear with me). My 1270/PCIII/Yellow Box,Escort/Screamer equipped 12 will drag on the starter every time if I don't wait till the pump is done before hitting the starter button.

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Most likely it is a battery that is weak... Not necessary low voltage, just one that cant deliver enough current to handle the high compression. I had this problem a while back, put a new battery on it and solved my problem<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">


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FWIW, a couple weeks ago, I had a problem starting my 2002 in the middle of a Sunday ride many miles from home. It would not crank when I pulled in the clutch, so at first I thought I had a dead battery. This is a very bad feeling! Then I got it started. It turns out that it would start in neutral with the clutch out, no problem. The clutch safety lock switch was the culprit. The dealer fiddled with it when I got my new tire and got it working fine, but the safety switches on sidestand and clutch can be a headache.

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Young guy brought his ZX6 by the shop the other day when I was there. Said it would not start with the clutch pulled in. The switch was the culpret on that one. Evidently it's fairly common, they had the switch in stock. As far as turning over and not firing, had a KZ1100 that would turn over, not fire. Run it down the driveway, bump started every time. Maybe check your ground, or try a fresh charge on the battery.

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Mine has down this a couple times as well. Usually just trying a couple times and it will clear itsself and start right it. It doesn't act like its a low battery or anything. It just kind of kicks back like tooo much compression.




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Yeah, the problem does act like it's kicking back as if it is fighting too much compression. I don't know that is is the battery, I hate to change out a battery just to troubleshoot it though, being as the bike is still under warranty, but I know damn well the dealership won't put a battery in it trying to fix it either. The problem is, this is not a random starting problem. Like I said, sometimes it does it cold, but it is GUARANTEED to do it once it is warmed up! Kind of makes me wonder if the starter motor itself is defective. I guess it's starting to look like I am going to have to go about buying parts until I find the defect, battery, starter solenoid,...


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I will bet you $5.00 that if you remove the PC111R your issues will disappear.. I have also had the same issues on and off for about 10 months.. I returned the bike to my dealer thinking my battery was going bad.. The mechanic who is a great guy said the battery was in perfect shape, but the bike was acting like the timing was extremely advanced.. I told him that the map did not have any timing modifications.. So, just for grins he disconnected the PC111R and there was no further starting issues.. So, I ended up talking to Tearinitup who is one of the Dynojet Engineers.. I returned the PC to DJ and they checked it out.. Couldn't find anything wrong.. Sent it back to me but the problem still persisted.. So DJ sent me a "New and Updated" PC111R.. It also displays the same starting issues as you described.. Just not as frequent..
There have been recent posts on this exact issue and some seem to think the solution is to attach your ground wire directly to the negative on the battery..
Bottom line here is there is a compatibility issue with some of the PC111R's and some of the ZX12's.. Most that I have heard about is the 01 models..

Dynojet either can't find the problem, or they have found the problem but will not or can not fix it...BUT THEY KNOW THERE IS AN ISSUE..even if the tech support guys say there isn't..

I stress... before you do anything else, disconnect your PC111R and see if it fixes your starter problem..

Lastly, with the mods you state you have done to your bike (Akro, Nitrous) you will have a hell of a time getting warranty work done unless you are tight with the dealer.. It is up to their disgression as to what is and isn't covered initially.. If the dealer wanted to be a prick.. the addition of the Akro alone could void your warranty..If you do need to seek warranty work put the bike back to as stock as possible before you take it in.. Now on the other hand if the owner is a budy of yours.. well that is another story...
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My 02 does the same thing. I disconnected the PCIIIR and it stopped. I have run maps with, and without advance. Give it a try. J

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This is why my friends i run a tech box.no you cant map it incredibly like the p.c111r,but my 01 starts fine and with some small mods,and some tweaking,my bike is almost as smooth as stock.The dyno i took mine too,with the tfi box on, gave me a very level 13-1 ratio.
At 9k i had just a slight lean problem.
another note for what it's worth.i talked to a young man at dyno jet a few times.he was real cool.not your usuall asshole d.j phone tech lying through his forked tongue that the 111r has no starting issues.he told me after several chats that they have had the starting issues with the 01's and the 111r,not the p.c111.if your having a 01 starter issue,i would swap the p.c111r for a p.c111 model.dyno jet say's if the motor is not built the "r" is a waste,but thats something thats outa my league,i hear some of you fellas got gains on advancing it..as for experimenting with connecting the power and ground to other sources,your wasting your time.try a p.c111.
connect the ground to battery and if it were me i would put an inline fuse in the hot side and connect it to the battery, it helped for a friend of mine who had the same starting issues,and 3 warranted returned p.c111r's.
and for all you 01 owners out there with low end issues,i can say this:i had the same frustrating problems,almost ready to sell it and buy an 02.after not giving up i decided to try a couple things.i syncronized my throttle bodies,turned my tps up a nitch from 1.085 to 1.10,and did the workman's pilot jet mod.i can say that these mods made a extremly noticable difference in drivability,smoothness on take off,and hesitation.
my bike hardly even has that idle stumble,but it is there as it is on all 12's.after breakin,and than at 5k i had my t.b's sync'd,they were all 4 way off,what a major difference in throttle response after it was done.

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It has happend to my '00 and '02!!! I realized that sometimes I dont push the starter button in all the way!!! Thats when I get that awefull sound!!!


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well, I took the pc off yesterday. lo and behold, I have not had a starter malfunction yet some estimated 15 starts later. I don't think dynojet is going to be happy to hear from me on monday!!

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Good to hear. Can't image the 12 is the only bike they have trouble with. To me it almost sounds like a slight hydraulic problem. It's almost like the box holds a slight residuale charge or doesn't completely get the injectors closed when you shut the motor down. Just drools a little bit into the cylinders after shutoff. Just a garbageman, but those are my thoughts. Good luck on the replacement!

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