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looking at these pics reminds me of the airshows my dad used to take me to of the old ww2 planes. yes time and technology passed them by but they forever marked my soul. the zx12r has done the same to me. ive owned many many bikes but none of them became part of me. great job S. cmg
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A few 12R's that have inspired me to rework mine:

Vincent Hill's Nitrous Beast:





A very innovative machine. The first 12R that I recall seeing cut down fuel tank on. Also, check out the tail section. The biggest lesson I learned from this bike? Make the bike fit YOU. The bodywork on this bike fit Vincent's size, and I have seen him go faster on the motor than some other smaller guys. Even when he was handicapped with 220 mph gearing. Very impressive.

Phantom's (Mike's) 1287 bike:



Another great example of making the bike fit the rider. Mike is not a small guy, but he disappears into his machine at speed.....and his machine hauls with him on it.

Entropy's old monster 1427:



Perhaps the most powerful all-motor 12R in the country. Due to the power, great winds and 1.5 mile distance at Loring in 2009, this bike is also currently the fastest recorded all-motor Kawasaki in the world at 222 mph. But, head-to-head it couldn't surpass this next one...

Dale's 1287, as ridden by Sal:



These lesson here is that overall setup and rider experience can trump hp....and often do. What else can you say about that one, when it comes to all-motor LSR 12R's? Hail to the king, baby!

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looking at these pics reminds me of the airshows my dad used to take me to of the old ww2 planes. yes time and technology passed them by but they forever marked my soul. the zx12r has done the same to me. ive owned many many bikes but none of them became part of me. great job S. cmg
Thanks, man. I found another 12R that inspired many of us....a few are still chasing what Jim Owen accomplished so many years ago in the standing mile. The record he still holds today, 7 years later:

519 MPS/F-1350/4 Bad For Good Racing Jim Owen Apr-04 218.648

He went even faster at Bonneville. He and his bike were not tiny lightweights, either:





A two-way average of over 219.5 mph! No monster tailwinds like we saw at Loring in 2009, either. Just brute horsepower....and not even a cut down fuel tank! Check out that monster nitrous bottle sticking out of the tail section!

An even earlier photo of Jim and his record-setting bike at Maxton:



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Definitely a 12R LSR pioneer!

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I'm an avid lurker here for many years and this thread has inspired me to sign up and post..
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Excellent, and welcome aboard!

Another 12R LSR pioneer was Jon Wennerberg:





In the pics above, the bike is equipped with complete Airtech "Charlie Toy" LSR bodywork. Jon still has his 12R, and is still setting records on it to this day.

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the 14 vs 12 runs would have been a blast.nothing like such close runs!
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the 14 vs 12 runs would have been a blast.nothing like such close runs!
Tons of fun, and Rick and I always manage to square off one way or another it seems!

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Ok, I actually have two days off starting tomorrow, so I'm going to try and get some work done. I am going to start with lightening the subframe. I have a spare one with a couple of bent tabs, so I am going to go to work on that one. I started on the project after work today.

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I am making my goal weight for the subframe 5.5 lbs. Believe me, that won't be easy....perhaps not even possible while maintaining structural integrity.

Air powered cut wheel and safety glasses. I am not quite sure what the best tool for this job is, but this is what I had handy:



Cutting the rear supports off:



Rough cut done:



I also removed a couple of bolts that were not needed.

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Only .5 lb so far! I still have a lot more to do, and I need to find some better tools for the job. That particular cut wheel did not work well.

I did use this as an excuse to buy a new Dremel tool (my old one has a shot bearing in it from years of abuse). I got the mid-priced corded model; no reason to break the bank. I also got the accessory pack for $30...this pack has a ton of cutting and sanding tools and saves you a ton of money:



Anyway, I will be back at it tomorrow. I might get a little radical experimenting on this one, since I have the still have the original one from the bike as well. I can always hack this one up, and do a cleaner job on the other one.

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wow, only 7lbs. I thought the subframe weighed a lot more than that. Looks like I'll just leave mine alone!
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wow, only 7lbs. I thought the subframe weighed a lot more than that. Looks like I'll just leave mine alone!
My thought too.....But as Shane has shown by taking off a few grams here and few pounds there,and lighter wheels,body work,ect.ect.ect that it could be done.....But for me it`s cheaper to take the weight off MYSELF.....I can`t afford new wheels,bodywork,and really don`t want to get into all entailed in cutting off /up my ZX12`s chassis and stuff....Just my personal preference....
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My thought too.....But as Shane has shown by taking off a few grams here and few pounds there,and lighter wheels,body work,ect.ect.ect that it could be done.....But for me it`s cheaper to take the weight off MYSELF.....I can`t afford new wheels,bodywork,and really don`t want to get into all entailed in cutting off /up my ZX12`s chassis and stuff....Just my personal preference....
TRUE but every pounds droped means EVERYTHINGperfection counts!

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My thought too.....But as Shane has shown by taking off a few grams here and few pounds there,and lighter wheels,body work,ect.ect.ect that it could be done.....But for me it`s cheaper to take the weight off MYSELF.....I can`t afford new wheels,bodywork,and really don`t want to get into all entailed in cutting off /up my ZX12`s chassis and stuff....Just my personal preference....
...I was thinking the same thing. Its a whole lot easier do make simple changes to the diet. Also a lot easier on the wallet to drop 20lbs from your body. With that said, i realize how obsessed speedfreaks such as warp, ship, kz ect, get looking for shaving off the smallest of excess weight from their rides.
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...I was thinking the same thing. Its a whole lot easier do make simple changes to the diet. Also a lot easier on the wallet to drop 20lbs from your body. With that said, i realize how obsessed speedfreaks such as warp, ship, kz ect, get looking for shaving off the smallest of excess weight from their rides.
I`ve done a little weight saving things such as C/F front fender,C/F Catalyst seat,C/F heel gaurds,no mirrors,alum. stand,Light weight rear brake rotor(thanks Shane),no bar ends,alum. lightweight pistons(kidding)lol.....I weighed the rubber insets on the foot pegs,(54 grams a side),I guess I could take those off before racing.....And I might take off one front brake caliper and rotor,drilled a bunch of holes in my chain guard and my swingarm,but thats it for me.....And it`s still a heavy pig....Oh,and getting ready to ditch this Multi stage lock up too,grrrrrrr.....
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...I was thinking the same thing. Its a whole lot easier do make simple changes to the diet. Also a lot easier on the wallet to drop 20lbs from your body. With that said, i realize how obsessed speedfreaks such as warp, ship, kz ect, get looking for shaving off the smallest of excess weight from their rides.
My goal is to shed the weight from the bike AND myself.

Sunday morning weigh-in:



I'm actually feeling pretty good about 231.7 lbs. I have been hovering between 235-237 for over two months. Since I didn't take I picture then, I am going to count this as my starting point.

My goal is to lose, between the bike and myself, about 80 lbs by Fall. I am 6' 1", so there is no way you are going to see me at 120 lbs....but ending up around 190 lbs would be nice.

I was 195 lbs back in '09, when this pic was taken:



The rest of the weight needs to come off the bike. Which means the bike needs to weigh between 470-475 lbs with 2 gallons of fuel in it. If you recall, it started at 510 lbs.

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I`ve done a little weight saving things such as C/F front fender,C/F Catalyst seat,C/F heel gaurds,no mirrors,alum. stand,Light weight rear brake rotor(thanks Shane),no bar ends,alum. lightweight pistons(kidding)lol.....I weighed the rubber insets on the foot pegs,(54 grams a side),I guess I could take those off before racing.....And I might take off one front brake caliper and rotor,drilled a bunch of holes in my chain guard and my swingarm,but thats it for me.....And it`s still a heavy pig....Oh,and getting ready to ditch this Multi stage lock up too,grrrrrrr.....
You guys would be surprised how much weight you can lose without exotic parts. Look at Racheal's bike:



Yes, the bike has a Ti exhaust...but the much cheaper stainless Shortmeg setup is actually just as light! The wheels on her bike are oem 10R wheels. She even has both front brake rotors. Even with the headlight reinstalled, the bike would only be about 475 lbs, race ready. It actually weighed in at 465 last week; when the above pic was taken it was flickering from 465-470 (scale weighs in 5 lb increments). This bike even has extra weight that street riders don't need...swingarm extensions, heavy drag racing chain, air shifter, etc.!!

The key is: look at every part of the bike. Every little bit, from one ounce to 10 lbs...it all adds up. Sometimes I just go to the garage to look over the bike and figure out where I can shave the tiniest amounts of weight. I must have spent days doing that on my 14. And now I am doing it on my 12.

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Ya I know whatcha talkin bout....Being into drag racing for 24 years, thats exactly what we do to get the power to weight ratio on our side......I`ve seen some 1075cc KZ`s including my own go way into the low 9`s to 9.0`s(mine went 9.13) just because of the right power to weight ration combination....And setup.... I`ve been telling the new guys about this stuff for years and they just don`t get it...They want to cut big chunks or it aint worth it to them...Hey 28 grams = and oz,16oz= a lb. ,ect.ect.....Keep on going Shane.....
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