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post #1 of 24 Old 10-26-2016, 11:17 AM Thread Starter
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Flames and fiberglass two random questions

1 - I see bikes with nitrous runnin huge flames out the exhaust... my bike with its 40 shot doesn't. Is it just too small of a shot? Or am I just not running super rich enough? I know wanting flames is lightweight retarded but I am curious if I need 100 shot to do so or just throw extra fuel at it.

2 - I have gathered the supplies to make a fiberglass front end... how many layers of cloth is enough? For over 200meh etc. And what can I use to protect my stock plastics...? Petroleum jelly?

As always any sound advice is greatly appreciated.
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Not sure about the nitrous?
So your gonna use the OEM stuff to make a mold?
I have always been told to put plastic wrap on to keep separated if that's what your ? is.
And not sure on thickness exactly as fiber is stiffer than abs but I do believe airtechstreamling and catalystracingcomposites are mostly reinforced around mounting locations.
The only fiber I have dealt with is mostly dragbike bodies but most all of the that are fiberglass all seem to be 1/8 to 3/16 thick.
Goodluck with your project and if it turns out well for you I would consider maybe doing carbon, if not all carbon maybe just inner and outer layer over fiberglass.
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Use wax as a mold release. Are you just using cloth or matt too? What type of matt and resin do you have?
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Thinking about running a 100 shot on your bike just to get it to shoot flames is beyond lightly retarded. It's full retard. Never go full retard. So many things wrong with what you're asking to do. Just focus on having a good tune and forget about the flames.
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I didn't say I was going to... and if I did I know what is required to do so.

My question is what is required to shoot flames. Is it that I'm not running super rich? Or just not running enough nitrous.

And I only have fiberglass cloth, but I can get whatever will help the end result. Also I would do carbon fiber but I don't think I could find carbon cheap enough.
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I'm using 3m resin
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Just focus on having a bike that actually runs and forget about the flames.
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My bike runs and has more HP than most zx12s on this forum.

I just want to know a certain piece of info. Because I'm partial pyromaniac.
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Use wax as a mold release. Are you just using cloth or matt too? What type of matt and resin do you have?
What type of wax?
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Honey Wax is one product you can use carnauba wax if you find a good one. The actual mold release waxes like honey wax are better. There is different types of cloths and resins. Matt is good in your first layers to help prevent print through from the cloth. There are a ton of different resins main thing to be concerned about will be if its finishing resin or laminating resin
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My bike runs and has more HP than most zx12s on this forum.

I just want to know a certain piece of info. Because I'm partial pyromaniac.
More HP, but still slower then most zx12s on this forum?

Listen, the fact that you think having a 100 shot versus a 40 shot is going to make you have big flames out your exhaust is what honestly worries me. I could care less how you blow up your 12R, but I am worried about other people you might injure when you grenade your motor at 80mph down the freeway. From my knowledge in a typical gasoline engine flames out the exhaust is due to running rich. So sure just pop open your power commander fuel enrichment screen and add 30 to each cell at WOT and see what happens. When you wash down all the oil from your cylinders grenade the motor and launch yourself into the bay during a high speed test run all because you wanted to see flames out your exhaust, don't say we didn't warn you.

I suggest taking a drill bit to your nitrous jets and open them puppies up to about .040" that should get the fireball you're looking for. Please have someone follow behind you with a camera and report back to us. I can't wait to see KawasakiWorld's highest HP zx12R truly go up in flames.
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I never said fastest. I do say that with 210rwhp my twelve has put down more hp than hmmm 95% of bikes on here?

Slowest is relative.... just because I'm limited by time and mostly funds doesn't reflect on my bikes performance at all.

If I had money then I'd have a new set of rubber ND the bike would have already seen over 200.

If I'd had a bullet basket back when I hit the drag strip I'd be In the 9s.

A 10.2 not leaving at ridiculous high rpm so save the stock basket is not slow to me by any stretch. Especially with me weighing 210-215 fully geared.

But, I have other priorities

Now, again, why are you being so butthurt buy such a simple question?

Go watch any bike paparazzi video and u see nitrous bikes running flames out the back.

Watch street outlaws and same thing the nitrous Cars all shoot flames.

Are they running richer than me just to thermally manage? And the by product is flames?

My question from the beginning is if like u say I'm just gonna grenade it, why does everyone else do it?

Is it just a bigger shot? Or is there some other explanation or reason?

If I had money for pistons and injectors I'd happily run a bigger shot. I have pretty much everything else required.

Instead of getting butthurt just please somebody give me an intelligent response.
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https://youtu.be/O-I2j4EB7iA

Key Kelly's car always does it, as do most of the nitrous cars on the show. And if I had time I'd watch a ton of bike paparazzi and show u there are plenty of bikes that do it too...

As a semi intelligent person I always want to know the answers. So, what's the answer?

Why do it?

Thermally manage by adding more fuel? Or just by product of running huge amounts of nitrous? Say like 200HP per liter ? Somebody has to know.
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I'm certainly not butt hurt. The answer to your question has already been written. Street outlaws, guys running like 1500-2000hp engines right? Probably on alcohol or other forms of race fuel. Not even close to comparison. I saw a top fuel funny car shot flames as I stood on the starting line with the pit crew. Guess what, that doesn't make me think my VW Jetta should shoot flames.

What I'm getting at, is you are making these absurd comparisons. I already answered your question. Go back and read it.

I think you just need to take a step back and reevaluate what you're doing. I certainly wasnt trying to knock you until you threw your HP out there as if it meant something. Clearly your bikes performance is reflected is your really bad 1/4 times from a bike with 210rwhp. Time and funds have nothing to do with that.
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I've never run nitrous at the drag strip. And I've never been to the strip since my rebuild with billet basket.

There's plenty of bikes shooting flames in millions of drag videos.

Is it that there running different fuels or just huge nitrous shots.

It was just easier to find the example of key Kelly rather than sift through mins of bike paparazzi videos.

Which I know u watch. So why giving me a hard time...

Just simple. Why do the bikes on bike paparrazi shoot flames?

If someone can just answer that I'd be so pleased.
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