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post #1 of 15 Old 08-24-2018, 07:33 AM Thread Starter
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4 those who say you can't do twisties with a ZX12R - Video

Ok, so it may not be as nimble as a sportsbike, but still, once you figure out how to ride it, it's really fun and will put a huge on your face... -Damn I got my monies worth when I bought this bike!

At first I tried to "attack" the turns as a sportsbike rider would, but the zx12r does not like that kind of riding that much (my opinion), so I had to adapt.. Figured out to just put it and keep it in 4th gear (3rd gear if the road has really tight corners), engine has a lot of power and torque, so use it, keep the RPM between 4500-8500rpm (you'll be going plenty fast, don't believe me, try it on the highway and check your speed gauge) and you'll have a ton of fun.... You don have keep changing gears up and down, use momentum of the roll to take you through corners, this is in other words all about throttle and speed control, the bike seems to like this kind of riding allot better than full throttle/hard on the brakes/change gears/back on throttle style of riding (though that can be done to, but to ride that way, the bike will need upgrades)...

Any way... Mounted an actioncam to my helmet and did a ride on one of the twisty roads I like. I'm not "carpet bombing" the road with kneepad scraping and the like... Just a fun, no stress ride...

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post #2 of 15 Old 08-24-2018, 08:02 AM
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Cool video. If that is sweden, it's very similar to the rockies.
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Cool video. If that is sweden, it's very similar to the rockies.
Yes, its Sweden... But we do NOT have the spectacularly beautiful mountains you have there... Thinking about it, I don't even think we have anything that could be called a mountain, big hills yes, but no real mountains. The mountains that were here a long time ago were scraped down, almost to sea level, during the last iceage...

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I might have got the countries mixed up. But still very neat to see that part of the world. Your countries hockey players have put our town on the map.

>>>>Figured out to just put it and keep it in 4th gear (3rd gear if the road has really tight corners),

For the twisties ( well for all around) I've actually gone in an opposite direction and gear the bike taller. Still pulls the front, smooths out transitions, and doesn't make mpg that much worse.

Is that stock gearing have you. I was actually thinking about putting this back on today.
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Taller = more speed in gear
Lower = less speed in gear

On my A1 I find the stock first gear far too tall for the very tight stuff (yellow sign 10-15), mine is -1/ which makes 1st gear top out around 70 and is much more responsive in the tight stuff.
Not to mention the light switch powerband that kicks in around 7500... don't want to hit that mid corner dragging stuff when you get back on the power

12R works fine in the twisties with a little suspension work.. you can search youtube for my username and find a bunch of vids from various rides. Also check a user named jimrad as he is usually the one with the camera behind me... ;)

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Your probably thinking about Switzerland

I went down 1 tooth in the front to 17 and kept the rear sprocket stock, 46 teeth. I really like this gearing, bike is more responsive. I might try out some other gearing come next season..

About the -What gear? The road in the video feels best to ride in 4th gear, I can not say exactly why, but it just does. Think it has to do with the choppiness of the EFI system, it's not that refined, and the bikes power band, when it hits, damn, not something you want happen to early, this is/can be a major issue when powering out of corners. Coming out of a corner and have the bike go into a power wheelie to "early" is not that much fun, a little later, yes, but not as said to early... The power band of the engine is just brutal when it hits... something to keep in mind... There are a few corners I normally go down one gear when I ride through them on this road, but all in all 4th gear is good all the way through. I also did not feel as confident as I normally do riding this road.. Reason was the camera hanging from the chin of the helmet made me feel awkward and not really comfortable, so I held back. I have not made many videos, this was actually my third attempt, so I'm not used to the feeling of the camera attached to the helmet.. Also there are so many videos of bikes going fast, I don't think the world needs one from me.. I rather look at videos where you can actually see something, not just a something going insanely fast in a total blur... Also the idea of the video was that I would have something to look at during the winter months and dream of the coming summer and bike season...

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Your probably thinking about Switzerland

I went down 1 tooth in the front to 17 and kept the rear sprocket stock, 46 teeth. I really like this gearing, bike is more responsive. I might try out some other gearing come next season..

About the -What gear? The road in the video feels best to ride in 4th gear, I can not say exactly why, but it just does. Think it has to do with the choppiness of the EFI system, it's not that refined, and the bikes power band, when it hits, damn, not something you want happen to early, this is a major issue when powering out of corners.... There are a few corners I normally go down one gear when I ride through them on this road, but all in all 4th gear is good all the way through. I also did not feel as confident as I normally do riding this road.. Reason was the camera hanging from the chin of the helmet made me feel awkward and not really comfortable, so I held back. I have not made many videos, this was actually my third attempt, so I'm not used to the feeling of the camera attached to the helmet.. Also there are so many videos of bikes going fast, I don't think the world needs one from me.. I rather look at videos where you can actually see something, not just a something going insanely fast in a total blur... Also the idea of the video was that I would have something to look at during the winter months and dream of the coming summer and bike season...

/Tom
you're right. Ouray, a town out here known as little switzerland. >>I rather look at videos where you can actually see something, not just a something going insanely fast in a total blur... Also the idea of the video was that I would have something to look at during the winter months and dream of the coming summer and bike season..<<
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How do you guys secure you cameras? I have the ram how do you keep it from rotating? Help please....
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I had a goPro mounted on the base of the windscreen, now I use a ReplayXD which is tiny, can mount on side of helmet or wherever. On my Beemer I made a bracket for the detector and camera on top of the gauge panel, works great. Camera sits on the right of the detector (wasn't mounted in this pic, has a quick release base)

You can see the GoPro on the front of my B1

I currently don't have a mount on the A1; may put back on my helmet for when I ride that one
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Terrific shots. Cool setup. The ram can probably be shimmed to remain in place (what I'm about to find out) if not oh well,.
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This is/was my setup.

The camera is a cheap Denver actioncam I bought a couple of years ago. You can see in the video its a cheap cam when comparing it to a GoPro video quality. The GoPro cam has an amazing lens angle, kinda think they thought about motorbike riders when they made the camera lens. Any way... Attached the camera mounting bracket to the helmet chin guard with a two sided sticky sticker... To get a better sounding sound for the video I also record the sound using my phones recording app. I have a small bag I attach to the pillion seat and just put the phone inside it, I also cover the phone with a ski hat to get less wind noise. Then add the recorded sound from the phone to the video with an editing program. In the beginning of the video you see me clapping my hands, this is to have a reference point when combining the video and the recorded sound from the phone in the editing program so video/sound is in sync...

With the camera also came a suction cup style mounting bracket, I have tried it mounted to the fuel tank. It does make a good looking video placed on the fuel tank, one can see the hands/handlebars and instruments and "look" through the windscreen and see the road... but mounted like that the camera is in an awkward position when you move around on the bike, specially on a twisty road and at speed, filming a highway blast, then using the suction cup bracket placed on the tank works well. Having the cam attached to the front fairing/windscreen, so you cant see any part of the rest of the bike, does not make for a good video in my opinion because the video looks like it was filmed with a drone, there is no reference point/s, the camera is just "flying" through the air. I want to be able to "place" myself into the video, then you need to have reference points like seeing the hands/handlebars/gauges/windscreen/wheel/side of the bike/etc, etc....

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The 12 is capable that's for sure.

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The 12 is capable that's for sure.

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This is/was my setup.

The camera is a cheap Denver actioncam I bought a couple of years ago. You can see in the video its a cheap cam when comparing it to a GoPro video quality. The GoPro cam has an amazing lens angle, kinda think they thought about motorbike riders when they made the camera lens. Any way... Attached the camera mounting bracket to the helmet chin guard with a two sided sticky sticker... To get a better sounding sound for the video I also record the sound using my phones recording app. I have a small bag I attach to the pillion seat and just put the phone inside it, I also cover the phone with a ski hat to get less wind noise. Then add the recorded sound from the phone to the video with an editing program. In the beginning of the video you see me clapping my hands, this is to have a reference point when combining the video and the recorded sound from the phone in the editing program so video/sound is in sync...

With the camera also came a suction cup style mounting bracket, I have tried it mounted to the fuel tank. It does make a good looking video placed on the fuel tank, one can see the hands/handlebars and instruments and "look" through the windscreen and see the road... but mounted like that the camera is in an awkward position when you move around on the bike, specially on a twisty road and at speed, filming a highway blast, then using the suction cup bracket placed on the tank works well. Having the cam attached to the front fairing/windscreen, so you cant see any part of the rest of the bike, does not make for a good video in my opinion because the video looks like it was filmed with a drone, there is no reference point/s, the camera is just "flying" through the air. I want to be able to "place" myself into the video, then you need to have reference points like seeing the hands/handlebars/gauges/windscreen/wheel/side of the bike/etc, etc....

/Tom
Hello again. I did look this up and guess we have different ideas of cheap at least in terms of what it currently list at. Very informative and an interesting take regarding reference points. Certainly looking forward to more videos.
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I see CMG and I share a love for the Arata pipe.
I really wanted the Akra, but no longer.

That said, I've never been down that low to the tarmac, so well done Henry!

On the OP's video, I viewed it full screen on my 24" monitor, and it looked about the pace I usually ride.
3rd and 4th gear usually get it done until it gets to mountain switchbacks, then there's some 2nd in there too.

The best are sweepers you can run about 80mph through. My favorites.
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