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Without the same riders, it is hard to compare different bikes. I haven't seen an 08-09 10R at Maxton....yet.

 

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My 06 10R with slip ons ran about the same mph in the 1/4 mile as did my 02 12R with a full exhaust.

 

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Gunner, I think you will find that a 460 lb. 12R will run nicely with your 10R.

 

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Both our 10Rs have whipped every stock piston 12, 14, and Busa that has ever challenged.. Even a few that weren't stock pistoned...

So, what were the terms of these races and venue? Just curious...

 

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Don't you think the 10R is more suited to smaller guys, like Chad?

 

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Shane everything is more suited to smaller riders like Chad.. That also goes for race horses... It don't matter if it's a 6, 10, or 14 Smaller rider is always better.. Weight is weight and Chad is going to be faster on your 14 than you or I will ever be short of us taking chemo and dropping an unforeseen 50 pounds..

Look at the total package weight... What would you weigh on your 10R total and what do you weigh on your 14 total.. The 10R is always going to be lighter. What is the power number for your 14? Most equipped as yours are lucky to make in the 180s RIGHT? with most in the 170s... Now what does a well tuned and modded 10 make with the same mods as your 14? 170 or close? The power is there but the weight isn't... Hard to beat.. Even 200 pound guys will be faster on the 10.. Chad will be faster but that's relevant.

So even a slightly under powered 10R in top prep and tune still beats a more powerful and heavy bike that is in piss poor tune and not properly prepped..


By the way Shane if I haven't said this before I like what you have done with your 14.. And your bike would fall into the category of properly done and maintained... NOT LACKING

Well, it is not really fair for me to compare my 10R to my 14. My 14 is only about 25 lbs. heavier than my 10 was. But there is a lot more weight to be shaved from a 14 than from a 10.

The 10's that you and Chad have ridden are excellent machines. And it will take an equally well prepped big bike to best them. There aren't many out there. Too many people subscribe to the "bigger is better" theory...and forget about the details that make a bike fast.

Thanks for the compliments on my bike. It will get dialed in with some time, and I am very happy with how it is running so far.

 

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Honestly I love both bikes... My 05 10R fits me well. It's just as comfy to me as my 12R was. If I wasn't making my Suburban Turbo project my main focus right now I would be up on the 12R that's for sale right now on the site.. None of my post are intended to in any way bad mouth the 12R in any way. The 12R is still my all time favorite bike EVER produced. Everyone like what they like and it's all good. Just remember there's a time and place for everything. Keep it safe...

I almost forgot to mention that a properly set up 12R of 1287cc has been 210.88 mph at Maxton, all motor. There has not been an all motor 10R that could touch that. Choose your weapon, and then choose your builder very carefully!

 

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Shane you didn't think I missed something Sal did over there did ya... My cylinder head on the 10R is a Coby Adams piece, BUT the next time it come off for a freshen up it will go to Sal... His valve spring and seat work are second to none.. Honestly my opinion of Sal is simple.. He's the best at his game right now.. That guy could probably get a Harley to run if he had the desire to fuck with it.... By the way what does your 14 weigh the way you have it currently..

462 lbs. with 3 gallons of gas in it. I still have quite a ways to go with it, but I have been a bit lazy about working on it lately. Fortunately it has a fair amount of torque, so it moves the weight pretty easily.

 

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I think at the end of the day, in terms of FASTEST (meaning peak MPH given virtually unlimited distance) you have to look at main variables: Horsepower and Aerodynamics.

Exactly. And in the mile, it gets a little more complicated. Then you have to look at hp, weight, aero's, and even the smallest nuances of rider technique. You can't make many mistakes, especially with a low hp machine. I have personally found the torque of a big engine be much more forgiving (dragstrip and mile).

 

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Keep dreaming..... Get a clue or come on over and I'll educate you for free... YOU WILL NOT BEAT A PROPERLY SET UP 10R ON THE STREET.. Sorry but I once owned 2 12s at one time and got rid of both in favor or the faster 10R.. Bla bla bla.....

Scott's bike is a 1287.

 

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Gunner, don't let your love of your 10R cloud your judgement. It's easy to take a prepped bike and beat up on the unsuspecting.

But just so I'm reading you loud and clear...you are saying that no stock piston 12, 14, or Busa is going to wallop you on your 10R? That no stock piston 12, 14 or Busa with equal riders can run with your 10R? And that includes any mods as long as the competing bike has no power adder, and stock pistons?

 

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That's a great story, Mike...and no doubt 100% true. I know a few guys like "Bob" as well...and I sometimes just let them have their fantasy world. It's easier that way, and everyone walks away happy with what they "know".

I think almost all of us have went through a phase of thinking our particular bikes were "the sh!t". The more time you spend at the track, the more it opens your eyes.

 

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Shane..
You really think we beat up on unsuspecting? I need to go to church and ask to be forgiven..:tard:

I am pretty convinced that you really think that you and your 10 are very fast. :thumbup: