[Vincent Hill]

That's what I'm talking about.. With these stacks is the bike still streetable.. I understood your explanation on how the stacks work in the other thread

Actually More! Imagine if your torque Dip between 4 to 6 K was smoother out? Would that make your bike more or less rideable. WIth the SHort Stacks, the power Dip in Low end is more but a LOT less than the people that have a Muzzy Exhaust. :lol:

If you PM me your e-mail address I will send you the map I used before I went racing.

 

[void4114]

There should be a FAQ thread stickies to the top of the forum explaining modifications including the stacks..

 

[Vincent Hill]

There should be a FAQ thread stickies to the top of the forum explaining modifications including the stacks..

There used to be and may still be there. The site has had it problems in the past when it went down and lo0st a bunch of things. My Map was there and the Crank Case Vacuum Mod along with a few other things everyone was doing. I have sent you the map and if your DJ will not allow it to be saved and opened, let me know and I will print it out and scan it in ans send it to you. OK?

 

[void4114]

it did open on my power commander program... and thank you once again..

and the crank case vacuum mod and the other similar basic mods for performance would be what me and a couple of the newer 12 riders would be looking for...

to the search i go.....

found this for the fellow newbies

http://www.drpmds.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ZX12R Modifications.htm

 

[Vincent Hill]

it did open on my power commander program... and thank you once again..

and the crank case vacuum mod and the other similar basic mods for performance would be what me and a couple of the newer 12 riders would be looking for...

to the search i go.....

found this for the fellow newbies

http://kawasakiworld.com/zx-12r/2327-negative-crankcase-mod-questions.html

You are doing your home work! I gained about 2 HP from this but if you are trying to see what the A/F you have to block it off because it effects the readings. Also if your Oil pressure is Low to begin with you cannot use this Mod because it will lower it a little more and maybe make the Oil Light come on. Without this Mod and No short Stacks, with my mapping you should be able to get 178 HP and about 96 to 97 in Torque!

 

[void4114]

Yea I changed the link to a multiple post.. But there are some things getting done to this bike within the next year..

Other then your map I'm stretching/lowering, h.I.d, and some basic cosmetic stuff and just gonna get used to the bike.. Then mid season start adding the other stuff into the mix..

So alot of homework will be done

 

[Vincent Hill]

Yea I changed the link to a multiple post.. But there are some things getting done to this bike within the next year..

Other then your map I'm stretching/lowering, h.I.d, and some basic cosmetic stuff and just gonna get used to the bike.. Then mid season start adding the other stuff into the mix..

So alot of homework will be done

:thumbup::thumbup::clap:

 

[witchdoctor]

BTW, with my mapping and same pipe stock engine and Short Bear Racing Velocity Stacks, I made between 180 & 183 sae HP and just a little over 100 in Torque!

Are the Bear stacks better than the Muzzys?

 

[void4114]

ive heard mixed opinions but no evidence other then butt dyno from some

 

[Vincent Hill]

Are the Bear stacks better than the Muzzys?

Muzzy got "His" first set of Velocity Stacks for a ZX12R from Rickey Gadson in 2002! He then tested them on the Dyno and said that they testing did not show any real gain. Gadson used them at the Indy Pro-Star Nationals and went .05 quicker than he had ever gone before. At the Next Race "Atco" in New Jersey, Muzzy had a set of Velocity Stacks he had made in his bikes.

The Question that beggs to be asked, Which is Better? The Original design that was tested for 2 years in South Africa and then here in the USA where the Dyno showed a 3 to 5 HP gain using the Short Stacks which were the only ones Bear Made at the time, Or the Muzzy Stacks that are different and have a different Venturi design and that Muzzy has "Never" Claimed any performance advantage and only calls them a "Tuning Aide"?

I sold the 1st 10 sets of Bear Engineering Velocity in March 2002 to 9 other people and myself on the Old Labusas Board. Dan Millholland "OldKawboy" went to Maxton and made many runs between 194 and 197 MPH. He then put in a set of Bear Engineering Velocity Stacks and made runs between 199 and 201 MPH. Now, 90+% of every ZX12R that has done Land Speed Racing have Bear Engineering Velocity Stacks.

Because of his relationship with Eazy Rider (Who started this Forum) Bear has always given everyone here and HERE ONLY 10% off. List Price for the short was $249.95 and they were reduced to $225.00. All Bear Stacks wwere Gold until I asked about getting them in Purple since the Belly of the early ZX12R were all Purple. I also asked him about LONGER Stacks for more midrange and torque so he designed the Long one which fill in the torque dip between 4 and 6K RPM. Again with testing of OldKawboy we found that Mixing them for Drag Racing gave him up to a 0.10 quicker ET so we then sold Short, Long and Mixed. Try buying a set of Mixed from Muzzy!

Now that the ZX12R is out of Production he turned to the ZX10 and the ZX14. Dan son Chad set a Land speed record on a ZX10 sponsored by Cycle World at Maxton using a set of Bear Engineering Velocity Stacks made just for that bike. He made 5 more sets which I have all but one of the sets.

Here are some of the articles that some were even posted here!

http://kawasakiworld.com/zx-12r/5821-rg-drag-racing-south-africa-bear-racing-zx14r-pi.html

Here is also some of the work thet Pierre does in South Africa!

HEWLETT PACKARD AND WESBANK RACEWAY GO ONLINE WITH DEVELOPMENT

 

[void4114]

damn .... thats amazing

side note i got a old laptop from work that has a serial port on it.. i named the laptop my tuning laptop and shoved it in my car

 

[Vincent Hill]

damn .... thats amazing

side note i got a old laptop from work that has a serial port on it.. i named the laptop my tuning laptop and shoved it in my car

That is what I still use for my tuning. I got a cable that has an adapter end and is 50 feet long for when it is either too hot or Cold outside and then use the computer inside the house! :lol:

 

[void4114]

50 foot serial... havent seen one of those in a while..

im a pawnbroker so i get all diffrent kinds of things walking thru the door

 

[Vincent Hill]

50 foot serial... havent seen one of those in a while..

im a pawnbroker so i get all diffrent kinds of things walking thru the door

Let me know when you get your map installed and take a ride! I think the #1 thing you will be surprised about is the Bottom end performance. One person said that he needed to mile his down because he was not used to the front wheel skipping along the ground at 2.5 to 3K rpms :lol: