can't see it if you haven't got an AOL screen name

 

To me this is a stupid statement.... :roll:

"I'm not entirely sure what would happen if you crashed at 200 miles per hour," Swanson said. "But it wouldn't be pretty, that's for sure."

 

That's funny something like this should be posted, because one of my club members had to go to court yesterday (09/21/04) on a speeding 140 in a 55 ticket. (he received a total of 6 ticktes in all) The judge looked at him and then looked at the prosecutor and then YELLED at my friend "DONT COME BACK TO MY COURT WITH OUT AN ATTORNY, BECAUSE YOU MAY BE GOING TO JAIL!!!!" He (04 CBR 600RR) tried to run from the trooper, but the trooper (Camaro Z-28) Walked him down!

 

Only a handful of exotic sports cars can reach 200 mph, but many high-performance motorcycles can top 175 mph. With minor modifications, they can hit 200 mph

What the heck to they consider "MINOR"? Someone needs to wake up and smell some reality. Where's the documentation to prove this happened? I can't imagine a bike getting to 205 that quick. Sounds like he just took off and then was clocked. Sounds like someone had a dream and decided to post it. Was the author an intern @ CBS?

Edit: Just made Fox News (Studio B). They actually showed a picture of the ticket. They said it was a Honda CBR 1000RR. Good advertising for Honda.

I call BS, unless it's turboed w/ nitrous. Can you say "get a new stop watch"?

 

WHEW! I'm glad the "Honda" took the heat for this "stunt"...imagine all the negative publicity that would be fingered at Kawasaki if they only knew what some of us can do with a twist of the wrist.

Heck, most of the troopers I've come across couldn't tell an Aprilia from a Busa, but they sure could give you all the letters of the various Hardley models (FXLHSTILAPOS, etc) so for all we know it might very well be a 12 or a Busa.

 

WHEW! I'm glad the "Honda" took the heat for this "stunt"...imagine all the negative publicity that would be fingered at Kawasaki if they only knew what some of us can do with a twist of the wrist.

I don't think anyone is seeing this for what it is. Many of the comments on here are naive (at best) about what it really takes to go over 200. Ask Vincent if going 205 is just a "flick of the wrist" and how much it actually takes to get there! I don't know of anyone on here that has done it. If I am wrong please post up your documentation and I'll concede! People in general have NO idea the amount of power it takes to go that fast. With the "200 mph" race back in 1999, they let people to believe that the Hayabusa and 12R were a LOT more capible than they are stock. I have never heard of a STOCK bike going 200 (not even a "modified" bike - pipe, filter, gearing, etc). It takes a BUNCH of power AND on a bike like the 1000RR that has very little wind protection it would take a LOT more than it does on a 12.

 

I remember reading about a factory 12 that went 206 I believe. They had the radar cert to confirm. Only mods were that they removed the mirrors, turn signals, and put 70 lbs of air in the tires. Rider was only about 140lbs. It's not that 200 is that hard to reach, it's just the distance required to get there. It was one of the 200 MPH clubs that certified the run.

 

I remember reading about a factory 12 that went 206 I believe. They had the radar cert to confirm. Only mods were that they removed the mirrors, turn signals, and put 70 lbs of air in the tires. Rider was only about 140lbs. It's not that 200 is that hard to reach, it's just the distance required to get there. It was one of the 200 MPH clubs that certified the run.

Ah...yeah. Post it up. A "factory bike" isn't necessarily stock. If this was back in 2000 when they were still in the race with Suzuki, I doubt it was a bike like you could buy.

 

Maybe the guy that got the ticket is Wallaces American cousin? :shock:

 

:lol: :lol:

 

The big record came in the APS/G 1350 4 class (Altered Partially Streamlined/Gas - 1350 cc 4 cylinder). Riding the ZX-12R owned by Kawasaki Funnybike rider Chip Ellis, Schnitz broke the old record of 188.287 mph with a 200.000 blast. The mark was not only a new record but because he set a new record of 200 mph or above he was giving membership in the ECTA's 200 MPH Club.

The bike was basically stock with the exception of an exhaust system, a DynoJet Power Commander, and a bit of lowering and gearing. It took almost 10 runs for Schnitz to accomplish the task.

"There was a pretty strong cross wind and the track was kind of bumpy," said Schnitz. "You had to keep it leaned over pretty good. You got as many runs as you needed so if it wasn't there I just shut it off and tried again."http://www.dragbike.com/news/06-01/060101c.htm

This isn't the one I am talking about, but here is one done in a mile.

 

From biketrade.co.uk

Kawasaki
Keith Parnell shattered the 200mph barrier registering 204mph riding at the Woodbridge track near Ipswich
By Kawasaki
Sep 3, 2003, 11:01



Pensioner Keith smashes 200mph barrier!



Cornish pensioner Keith Parnell isn’t ready to pick up his bus pass just yet – He’s too busy pushing himself to the limits on his hypersports Ninja ZX-12R motorcycle.

At an age when most people are looking forward to a more sedate pace of life, Keith, who celebrates his 67th birthday next month, is claiming to be Britain’s fastest OAP on two wheels.

At his third attempt in the space of a year, riding at the Woodbridge track near Ipswich, Keith shattered the 200mph barrier registering 204mph to record the second fastest time of the day in an open drag racing event that attracted 100 competitors from all over the country. With nothing comparable listed in the Guinness Book of Records, the feat could also be in contention for a world record.

Life for the energetic managing director of his own Kawasaki dealership, Keith Parnell Motorcycles in Redruth, revolves around bikes. The passion goes back more than half a century when as a teenager he clamped a 49cc, two-stroke, powerpack to the forks of his pushbike.

Keith graduated to an Excelsior Talisman Twin 250 which he purchased, second hand, for £49 and went on to pass his bike test in 1958. He’s been in the fast lane ever since and competing as a drag racer in the Seventies, became Europe’s fastest man over a quarter-of-a-mile from a standing start. He broke the nine second mark for the first time in 1975 recording 8.93/151.98 on a supercharged 750 twin ‘Rouge et Noir’.

“I’ve always had a thing about bikes ever since I can remember and it still gives me the same thrill today. When I topped the 200 mark I was walking round with a grin on my face all day,” said the father of three sons and six times grandfather.


“When I got home my wife Frances said that’s it then, you’ll be calling it a day, but it never crossed my mind. As long as I continue to enjoy it, I’ll keep on going. Besides I’ve only just got myself a new set of leathers and I’ll be getting Kawasaki’s new Ninja ZX-10R when it comes out next year.”

Keith’s next race date is 21 September when he competes in a National Sprint Association event at the Santa Pod track in Northamptonshire. In the meantime he’s busy managing the day-to-day affairs of his busy motorcycle dealership.

“Keith’s a phenomenon, incredibly devoted and knowledgeable when it comes to bikes and well respected. He was one of our first UK dealers having taken on his franchise in the mid-Seventies,” said Kawasaki Motors’ District Manager Peter Perrin.

For more details click on www.kawasaki.co.uk

© Copyright 2003 Biketrade

 

I don't think anyone is seeing this for what it is. Many of the comments on here are naive (at best)

I see it for what it is...total BS.

Also...RC51 it was, son-of-a-cop pilot. :roll:

 

nohto, you're missing the point. Several have gone over 200 but none were stock and the things you are posting don't show anything to the contrary. That UK article had no relevance. The 12r was highly modified to do it. What was the point?

I agree, think the cop in the plane needs a new watch or to watch more closely when the vehicle gets to the marks. But hey, it made Fox News so it's officially a national story now. :wink:

A friend of mine called me to tell me that his dad (who works for the state patrol here) heard that some guys down in FL were sitting on a 4-lane road and clocked a bike going 206. I'm guessing it's a spin-off of this story but who knows? :roll:

 

Guys this also was not a stock bike, the kid works at a performance bike shop.. and with enough distance tall gears and NOS will get you there.. I do agree the RR lacks wind protection and if it was the RC51 its even worse with less HP But I bet you can take any 1 liter bike.. stack a few head gaskets ( to lower comp) and run a 100 shot of NOS on tall gears and 200 is within reach.. mind you im trivializing this as head gaskets are not the right way to do this but simple and efective..

 

If it takes 250 rwhp to get a 12R there, what's it take to get one of these Honda's there? 350?

 

I know the second article was with a modified bike. The first one is a little confusing. In the first part of the article it appears like they are talking about the bike being a stroker +++

The big record came in the APS/G 1350 4 class (Altered Partially Streamlined/Gas - 1350 cc 4 cylinder). Riding the ZX-12R owned by Kawasaki Funnybike rider Chip Ellis, Schnitz broke the old record of 188.287 mph with a 200.000 blast. The mark was not only a new record but because he set a new record of 200 mph or above he was giving membership in the ECTA's 200 MPH Club.

Then it says that the bike is basically stock

The bike was basically stock with the exception of an exhaust system, a DynoJet Power Commander, and a bit of lowering and gearing. It took almost 10 runs for Schnitz to accomplish the task.

nohto, you're missing the point. Several have gone over 200 but none were stock and the things you are posting don't show anything to the contrary. That UK article had no relevance. The 12r was highly modified to do it. What was the point?

I was trying to find the article that I mentioned earlier in the post. The bike I am talking about, at least according to the article WAS STOCK. I think I read it in a Motor Cyclist magazine over at a friends of mine. I specifically remember THE ARTICLE saying that the bike had no modifications done to it except removing the mirrors and turn signals, running the tires at 70 psi, and also that the test rider was sponsored by Kawasaki or some shit like that. At the end of the article they had a picture of the raised stamp signed certificate that you were a member of the 200 MPH club. Now if the magazine was lying, or if they falsified the certificate, test or even the fact that they were born, I don't know. Frankly I don't give a fuck!!!! I was just making a statement that it is a LOT MORE DIFFICULT TO REACH 200MPH IN 1 MILE THAN IT IS IF YOU ARE NOT RESTRICTED TO A SET DISTANCE!

 

"He clicked it once when the motorcycle reached a white marker on the road and again a quarter-mile later. The watch read 4.39 seconds, which Loney calculated to be 205 mph."

I'm sure this method is at least as accurate as GPS...................NOT. I seriously doubt that bike was going 200+.

 

zang I have to tell you , I race every week 9/10 mile and believe me I see 200 mph bikes every week 1 friend zx 12 ... 201 a gixer 1000 built 199 mph several busas and other 12s 190s no problem NO BULL SHIT

 

If it takes 250 rwhp to get a 12R there, what's it take to get one of these Honda's there? 350?

Your way off base... Bergie(dontbrscaredracing.com) went 202mph at Maxton with I believe 204 horsepower...

Also the Honda weighing less would probably take less horsepower...

http://www.dontbescaredracing.com/ecta/

Video link...
http://www.dontbescaredracing.com/video/

 

The smaller fairing doesn't prove the bike can't go 200 with 200 hp or moderately more (or possibly less though it's certainly harder with less.)

Look at the MotoGP bikes. Small fairings, as was claimed to be a great disadvantage for the Honda, yet still exceed 210 with well under a mile of straightaway and not drastically over 200 hp (210-240 reportedly.)

By no means am I saying the stock Honda will do this. However, any claims of 350 hp or whatever being needed are not so.

Nor am I saying the clocking was accurate. E.g. if the trooper clicked the stopwatch 2/10 of a second late to start and 2/10 second early to finish, the true speed would have been 188 mph.

Reasonable error can't possibly account for a lawful speed coming out as 205 mph, but of course the calculation should be viewed as a "best estimate."

 

According to this article http://myweb.cableone.net/toddshelton/aero.html gives some basic info. I've read far better ones that talk about how as speed increases the power has to increase in an exponential amount to the speed. I can't find it but here is some of what this one says.

Drag is proportional to the square of speed, and to the size of the motorcycle's frontal area...Roughly 90 percent of an engine's power is used to overcome aerodynamic drag at high speeds, while the remaining 10 percent works against rolling resistance. The exact rolling resistance is difficult to determine, and the relative efficiency of each bike's ram-air system is also unknown. But it is possible to calculate a power vs. speed graph using the drag figures measured in the wind tunnel.
To achieve 187.5 mph, the Hayabusa needs 147.6 horsepower to
overcome drag alone; the 12R needs 161.3 horsepower for the
same speed. However, using the wind tunnel data, test weights,
our road-test dyno figures for horsepower and a rolling-resistance
figure, Cooper calculated that the ZX-12R would have a maximum
speed of 187.0 mph and the Hayabusa 187.7 mph. The effect of wind
can vary the result, usually decreasing speed unless it's a tailwind.
Sidewinds during a test can decrease top speed as a result of the higher
drag at yaw...One thing is certain - the Kawasaki doesn't need an
electronic governor to limit its top speed.
*The name of the Suzuki has been changed from the actual quote by the system on this forum*

Bottom line for a Honda to go 206 (in real life) would take some MAJOR modifications!

For those interested, here are some more comparison stats of the 12R and Hayabusa: http://myweb.cableone.net/toddshelton/testdata.html

 

Damn Zang i thought you were cool until you referred us to Todd's busa site....you must not know who Todd is? I DO, so don't post that garbage here again :lol: :lol:

All joking aside, here is what the accused has stated on sportbikes.net, there is also a scan of the citation here so I think it's legitimately the accused's words.

All right, I was the one who got the ticket and it is time to clear some things up. For one, I was riding a 2003 Honda RC51, "heavily modified" with 2 Brothers slip on pipes and, well thats all the mods I have unless you count the "I stop for wh***s" sticker. Next, the bike wasn't impounded, it was towed so it wouldn't be in the roadway. Ok, on to the tickets. 205...uh no. I am personal friends with the owner of "Hitman Motorsports" and tonight, Sept. 22, we did a top speed run on his dyno, in 6th gear, and maxed nearly 60mph slower than I was arrested for. The "no motorcycle endorsement" is because my licence was expired, I do have a motorcycle endoresement for all you people digging into me about that. The stop watch method may be accurate at times, but this is un-conceivable for my motorcycle to approach 205. Honda's RC211v, which is Honda's MotoGP race bike, 5 cyclinders and 268 horespower, just broke 200mph on the track within the last week. And we are talking about a 1/2 to 3/4 million dollar bike. And for you gear-heads, I had on Joe Rocket Boots, Shoei helmet, Leather gloves, Ballistic coat, and leather bottoms. Also, both of us were arrested, and no, the slower one did not get a warning, he was ticketed for 111mph on a F4i. I hope this clears things up for everybody, I am just sick of everyone saying things about what they dont know, making me look like this horrific person. People speed, and if anyone knows anything about the "Flood Run" (which was the ride I was on, which by the way benefits the Gillettes Children Fund) I would be a hell of a lot more concerned about the 7,000 bar-hopping motorcyclist out on the road. 99% of the people you hear things from are misinformed. If you have questions, I will answer them. And one last note, this is information you don't know, the pilot who clocked me, was clocking me, the F4i, and flying his plane at 110mph all at the same time. Think about that for a second.

http://www.sportbikes.net/forums/showthread.php?t=10677&page=5&pp=15

 

According to this article http://myweb.cableone.net/toddshelton/aero.html gives some basic info. I've read far better ones that talk about how as speed increases the power has to increase in an exponential amount to the speed.

Yes, power requirements to overcome aerodynamic drag increase with the cube of the speed.

In other words, going 10% faster -- for example -- requires (1.10 x 1.10 x 1.10) times more power, or 33.1% more power to overcome aero drag.

Now, if it's true that this guy's mods were as slight as stated, then the speed estimation is clearly way off.

 

Here's another one then from sportrider:
http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_0106_aero/
Among other things it says:

Anyone who has ridden into a strong headwind, however, knows the importance of aerodynamics for a motorcyclist. For sportbikes, a slippery aerodynamic design assists both rider protection and efficiency, permitting a higher speed for a given amount of horsepower. Aerodynamics becomes more important the faster you go because the power required increases as the cube of speed--in other words, to double your speed, you need eight times as much power to overcome aerodynamic drag. You can quickly reach a point where speed is achieved more easily by improving aerodynamics rather than adding horsepower.

And another 12r vs Hayabusa thread: http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_0110_hayabusa/